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There's been a discussion on Latinteach regarding what to do about low enrollments.  This was followed by another on what to do with colleagues that aren't very professional, don't attend conferences, don't try to improve their teaching, etc.

I bit my tongue.

As it has been pointed out on this blog previously that I have not been kind to a couple of my colleagues in the past.  So with that in mind I kept quiet, though many things crossed my mind.

Regarding low enrollments, I just don't get that.  I don't get that because when I teach, I teach STUDENTS about Latin.  I don't just teach Latin and hope the smart ones catch on and wash my hands of the rest.  Whether others do this latter intentionally or not doesn't matter. They do it. They do it because they never try to walk in their students' shoes.  They don't try to understand the disconnects. They don't try to figure out a better way of doing something--if their teacher did it that way, well, it's been tried and tested!

Let's face it: students will take ANYTHING if they hear a TEACH is good and interesting and fun.  Not even necessarily fun, but it helps.  And fun doesn't mean games all day long. To me it means being so passionate and crazy about your subject matter that it's contagious, like laughter.

If the French teacher is fabulous, they'll sign up for French. If the Spanish department is good, they'll do that.  And if Latin is reported to be exciting and interesting and useful, they'll sign up.

But if the teacher is--no offence--dull, or doesn't seem to care that 50% of the class is failing, does no recruiting, does no JCL, then there will be no program.

And we can quietly sit back and bit our tongues and say nothing except for this: if that program is in our district, and if that program closes, THAT CLOSURE can determine whether the district thinks it's worth keeping ANY Latin program open.

Someone on another list was saying that their students choke on the in context quizzes.  I also bit my tongue on that, waiting to see other responses while pondering how the students can read at all if they can't recognize words in context.  I wanted to then ask the teacher whether she EXPRESSLY teaches students how to read Latin, whether she does warm-ups to train them to focus on the details (like metaphrasing which I so often talk about).  Then I realized I also have practice quizzes, which begs the question of whether my students just practice until they MEMORIZE it or do the practice quizzes help them focus on the details. My better practice materials are on my quia websites.  

Do I worry that the quia babies them?  Am I guilty of making Latin too easy? Maybe. Maybe not.  Maybe the quia provides the constant one-on-one feedback that they need, the kind of drilling that we, perhaps, used to do unquestioningly on paper.  But I don't have time to grade those sorts of homework assignments and give timely feedback--wish I did!  

MY STUDENTS at Dripping Springs this year told me repeatedly how much they LIKE using quia, how much they learn from the things I design, and how much more Latin they've learned this year in general compared to the last 1 or 2 years combined.  Why?  The previous teacher taught Latin as book work, as assignments to be tossed out and just done, not as a means to communicate, something that is alive between people--whether it's two people face to face or across the span of time.

But I'm digressing, aren't I?

You can't build a program if you lack passion.  A lot of teachers have a passion for JCL--and that's ok.  I hope to have JCL madness this year. I hear my certamen machine is on order.  Yippee!  Some teachers have a passion for Latin itself, loving every bit of teaching from Level 1 to Level 4.  Some have both.  But if you have neither, you can't build a program.

And if you have neither, you probably aren't going to professional conferences.  You probably just like teaching at the level you teach at, doing whatever the district asks of you, grading whatever's necessary, and doing nothing else.  And is this bad?  Not everyone is meant to be a go-getter.  Not everyone is an A student.  But if you think what you do doesn't hurt others and doesn't matter, you are wrong.

Maybe your main teaching field is English, and you don't really care about Latin, not really, because it's just your second field.  Fine.  I guess.  But I teach English as a second field and while I really don't have my heart there and I really don't want to spend any time on English that I could be spending on Latin, I still bend over backwards to do my best, and to find out how to do it better next year.  But that's me.  I know that's me.

If you are feeling burned out and that you just want a break and thus avoid conferences, you will continue to feel burned out because you are probably doing things the hard way--even if it seems easier.  Conferences give you a new life and a new passions.

Lists like Latinteach give you a new way of looking at things and a world of other people to ask for advice.

Teaching is not a fall-back sort of job.  It's not something to settle for.  You either have to really want it, or go do something else.
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This was a note I just sent to the classics list in reply to a lengthy discussion of a Times Ed piece (London Times, most assuredly) on changes (for the worse?) in A Level exams in ancient languages.

People were moaning about the decline in standards, etc etc.  But it seems to me that it's just a test.  We don't have to teach to it, or limite our teaching with it.  ANYWAY, this is what I rambled on at length about....

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What I don't get is WHY the test was diminished in scope to begin with.

But then how do you profs feel about the AP exams? An AP program, taught well, can be a positive way to get more out of Latin before high school graduation, and to have students reading in greater depth before getting to university.

With that said, I know that some AP programs leave a lot to be desired. I know who among secondary teachers I see at conferences and who I don't. I know who (locally, at least) really care about pedagody and who are just running Latin programs. (Good ones, too.) And I'm not trying to be critical. Just honest.

I know that many of the brightest students in AP Latin (ok, I'm thinking of my niece, who took 2 AP Latin classes from a master teacher) are only taking AP to place out of college courses and sadly have no intention of continuing with Latin.

Was that the intention when it was created? Or certainly it was to provide a more challenging curriculum for the extraordinary student? I do know that there's been considerable frustration with the number of lines in the Vergil AP course, that the equivalent college course (which, I believe, at UTexas would be 312), usually does NOT cover the same number of lines. I know that my niece, who enjoyed Ovid/Catullus (as a sophomore) hated Vergil (as a junior...she graduated early) because there was never any time to discuss what was going on. Can you imagine being so pressed to cover lines that you can't get into the whole Aeneas/Dido relationship?

Yes, as was argued in one email (or was it the original article?), students can probably memorize passages for this new A level exam--as if we haven't all seen that in one form or fashion. All the more reason to change how we teach anyway with more question and answer in Latin, etc, that get to the heart of Latin, instead of checking comprehension solely by seeing if the student can produce a word for word translation in English.

Can someone tell me how the A level test compares to an AP exam? I have a student, for example, who I inherited from another teacher. He was apparently doing AP so I was, at first, trying to keep him on the AP curriculum so he could challenge the test. What I discovered upon examination is that he would get the gist of what was going on, but couldn't deal with the grammar. His mastery of morphology was too week in some ways.

So we backed off of our plan to challenge the AP exam and have just read some other things. (He didn't like Catullus.)

I have been impressed that he has continued to read with interest. (He's technically not getting any credit for any of the Latin he does with me.) But I digress.

I suppose my question is why should we get our knickers in a twist over an exam? When have you let an exam dictate every damn thing that you do? We shouldn't. Yeah, I suppose I'll be singing a different tune when I'm finally teaching AP, but I know teachers who teach sections of Vergil not covered on the exam. GOLLY, just because they WANT to. I'm about to teach some Martial and that's nowhere in my curriculum. Ok, I don't have a curriculum; I think I'm supposed to write it this summer.

So this new A level is only over a smaller portion of lines. Any teacher worth his/her salt will be teaching the student to READ Latin, and if that teacher is used to teaching MORE lines, then perhaps he/she will continue to do so. Or maybe he or she will be able to teach the smaller number of lines with a thoroughness not able before--more scholarly articles brought in, more culture or archaeology tied in.

Here's the thing: if the student has been taking teacher-designed tests that can more easily be taken by memorizing the English than by rereading and rereading the Latin, then that's the fault of the teacher. When you ask a student about a favorite Latin poem, they shouldn't start out, "I hate and I love"--they should reply "Odi et amo" and continue on IN LATIN.

In _Teach the Latin, I Pray You_ by Distler (now sold by Bolchazy! Yippee!), I know there's a section about getting students to read and reread passages already read in between working on new passages. I haven't figured out how to get something like this going. I know when I do I will increase the quality of my course, but I haven't figured out how to make the students accountable without making excessive grading for me. But I know that's what I want to do. I need some sort of reading log, one that I'll stick with, one that will work.

But consider, if you are reading one of the stories from the Metamorphoses and you ended class 1/4 into Baucis & Philemon, say, how can you just pick up with the next set of lines and actually *see* the repetition of words (esp new ones) and phrases without starting by REREADING the last assignment first? How many of you train your students to do that? How many of you EXPLICITLY state, "before beginning lines Y-Z, go back and just read through without stopping lines X-Y"? Or how many of you MODEL it? It really doesn't take that long to reread even 40-60 lines before beginning the new section, and often increases comprehension. With my auditing student, I always always always read to him, read the whole paragraph we're on, go back to the sentence we're on, read that a few times, and then begin to discuss it/translate it with him. Yeah, we translate (instead of ideally discussing it in Latin), but I make sure I model what I want him to be doing when he's on his own, esp if he takes more Latin in college. (Perhaps if he wasn't the "3rd class" in a 3-way split level class I could have worked on the discussion-in-Latin approach, but that just didn't happen.)

Right. That's enough rambling from me.

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